Hi
Thanks for the info.
Did Emma sign on those two marriages? Presumably she did, since she seems to have signed the household schedule in 1911. Though I wonder if the rest of it was written out by someone else?
I ask because the 17 year old Emma Morris in Whittington in 1861 who was mentioned earlier was a pupil teacher.
I see there are two different sets of online trees claiming that particular Emma Morris, one saying she married John Urion and Thomas Jones, the other that she married Benjamin Chadwick (as I posted as an alternative). A Chadwick tree has a birthdate for her, 16 Jan 1844, in Whittington, a mother, Susannah, and says she died in 1883.
I tend to think that Chadwick is more likely.
I don't think Emma is daughter of Hugh and Mary Roberts, because if that one has been traced by Mick to Birkenhead in 1861, then she married there in 1863.
There might have been a mistake made on the second marriage, if so, you would be looking purely for an Emma daughter of Thomas Roberts, a farmer (though his occupation may have been bumped up on the certificate/s)
It's a knotty problem (I mean I can't solve it!)
In 1881 in Whittington, Thomas and Emma Jones are living in the next cottage to a widowed Elizabeth Morris, 62, Cheese Dealer.
And in 1891, same place, the next schedule to the Jones, so in close proximity, is Thomas Morris, 72, Wheelwright, born Whittington, his wife Mary, and the family of their daughter Jane (Brown)
Morris is a very common name in those parts, but for want of any other ideas, I have attempted a quick look at that Thomas Morris, even though he was not a farmer. Almost certainly a red herring!
His age is usually a few years younger than in 1891, he seems to have married Mary Conde, 6 Feb 1855, Selattyn. Father Thomas Morris
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKCN-G5P
In 1861, Thomas, Mary, son Charles, are in Hengoed, Daywell (Thomas a carpenter)
1871 Thomas is 48 and a visitor in Oswestry
Whilst wife Mary and family are in Hengoed, Daywell (the widowed Emma Urion not too far away)
1881 Thomas and Mary Morris are in Whittington, two census pages after your Jones family.
They both still seem to be alive in 1901.
Going back, more difficult
All I can see in 1851 is Thomas Morris, 29, born Whittington, a publican in Selattyn. Wife Catherine, 28, one son, Thomas, age 2½.
Transcribed as Marris on ancestry.
Says that Catherine and Thomas junior were born Glyn, Denbighshire
A baptism at Pontfadog, near Glyn Ceiriog, 22 Oct 1848
Thomas John
Son of Thomas and Catherine Morris
Father a Wheelwright
But I can't see what might have happened to Catherine and young Thomas, nor do I know the marital status of the Thomas who married Mary in 1855.
I did look at one in 1841 (may be a different Thomas!), age 15, in Selattyn, at a farm (of John Jones) at Pentreclawdd, close to Hengoed. There may be a couple of Roberts female servants in the household. But not all ages have not been rounded down by the enumerator, including in that household. So he could be too young.
) on her line. The trouble is, on her marriage certificates there is a different surname for her father on both (she's an ancestor through marriage - the familial link is the second husband which is why i don't know her father's name).