Birth record brick wall

[ManonChirgwin]

If you subscribe to Find My Past you should have access to newspapers without having to fork out for another subscription.

Ive only got basic find my past, but got the 3 free pages with a new British newspaper archive account so managed not to have to start a new subscription at the moment

[VALLMO9]

ADDED: the burial address was 39 Montague Street, West Derby - home to the Thomas family in 1911

This was also JHW's address on his April 1914 marriage record to Amy Matilda.

Out of interest, the 1901 census has a Maria Williams (servant) in Wavertree. Born 1856 in Gobowen. Frustratingly, I can't see her in any census reports prior to 1901. She's single in 1901. Could she be a relative of the Gobowen ladies in question?

Note: Gobowen doesn't appear to be designated as a census place from 1841-1891. So bear that in mind when searching for the Williams ladies.
For 1861-1871 census, possibles are - Civil Parish is Daywell; Sub-Registration District: St Martin; Registration District: Oswestry.

[avaline]

Another post that doesn't move anything forward but might be of interest all the same.

The Blackpool Gazette & Herald 25 Feb 1876 carries an article about the Excelsior lodge of the Independent United Order of Mechanics holding a tea party to raise funds for their Widow & Orphans fund, and amongst the artists engaged was Matthew Walsh, (pianist), Manchester. The article ended "Mr Matthew Walsh excelled, and officiated in a manner that merited the highest commendation"

The same article was in the Fleetwood Chronicle 25 Feb 1876

It may not have been him, of course, but it seems likely.

[avaline]

Also - just in case she turns out to be connected - a possible for Annie Thomas nee Williams, in 1891 in Shrewsbury RG12/2111/54/30
Annie Williams 26 Kitchenmaid b Gabowen, Salop

She appears to be working at the Shrewsbury School, of which Rev. Henry Whitehead Moss was the headmaster.

[ManonChirgwin]

So the 1921 census might have helped with shining a light in some of this (whilst also giving me a headache )

He’s 37 and 5 months so the January date of birth is right (thank you VALLMO9)

He and his son are also living with Annie & Albert Thomas so they must be family and she must be connected to the other Gobowen woman.

(The headache is that he’s put his place of birth as Liverpool now )

avaline - thank you so much for the new newspaper report and information about Annie.

And thank you everyone that’s helped with so many possible avenues to answer this question

[VALLMO9]

Perhaps he was born on the Isle of Man, but his birth registered in Liverpool? Possibly under MMN of Williams?

[avaline]

Odd that Matthew Walsh died i Liverpool but was buried back in Bolton (1901). May be worth obtaining his death certificate to see the name of the informant - might help in tracking his 'wife' (who is possibly JHW's mother) Sarah/Helen?

[ManonChirgwin]

Sorry I haven’t replied sooner, life got in the way then I got locked out by forgetting my password

VALLM09 - that’s what I thought too but can’t find someone who fits in the Liverpool BMD either, so I’ve sent the archives an email to use the research service to see if I have any luck that way.

avaline - I feel like I’ve seen that somewhere or it was something I knew but I can’t find the information anywhere to get the certificate. Where did you see the information?

[avaline]

Sorry, I didnt get a notification so I've just seen your post.

The headstone is on Findagrave and gives a date of death of 27 Nov 1901, and Deceased Online has a burial at Tonge Cemetery on 30 Nov 1901.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/229 ... thew-walsh

[ManonChirgwin]

No worries, for some reason I’ve not been getting notifications either, at least you didn’t take as long as I did!

Thank you for the link