Joseph Victor LePere past 1871

[jonwarrn]

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Burial at the City of London Cemetery, 18 Feb 1895
John Creed Le Pere
residence Aldersgate
age 74 years
registered S. F. Langham Coroner London
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/ ... 50/1080808

[jonwarrn]

John and children admitted to the City of London workhouse at Bow Road, 20 June 1871.
Ancestry have both the year and the workhouse wrong.
John Lapere 50 Printer. Discharged 14 Nov 1871. Sent to prison for 2 months.
William Lapere, 5, and John Lapere, 4, discharged to Hanwell School.
Grace Margt, 6 weeks. Discharged 7 Nov 1871, died at 10 a.m.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... -CS1R-33VQ

Grace Margaret Lapere, age 1, in the Register of Deaths.
Cause of death is ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... -CS15-YSWP

Grace M Lapere, 1, buried at City of London Cemetery, 13 Nov 1871, from Bow Road
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/ ... 20/1069257

John is back in the workhouse 13 Jan 1872. From prison.
A bit strange!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... -CS1R-33FN

[VALLMO9]

Second one, the readmission on 24 July 1879, says that he was discharged 19 April 84. Joined 82nd Regiment.

Odd that the register states he joined the 82nd Regiment. Because the 82nd didn't seem to exist, as such, after 1881.
Apparently the 82nd Regiment of Foot (The Prince of Wales’s Volunteers) which had no county connections, was linked with the 40th ( 2nd Somerset ) Regiment of Foot to become the South Lancashire Regiment (The Prince of Wales’s Volunteers). The 40th became the 1st Battalion and the 82nd became the 2nd Battalion. Not sure when the latter happened.

So did Joseph actually join the 82nd Regiment, or is it a mistake in the register? Was it another regiment he joined?

[jonwarrn]

There are still references to the 82nd Regiment in the newspapers in 1884.
and...
Naval & Military Gazette, 9 April 1884
South Lancashire Regiment (40th).—The 2nd Battalion (late 82nd Foot) will remain at Devonport instead of proceeding to Aldershot.

Perhaps it was a bit like decimalization back in the early 70's. Price 1/6 or 7 ½p!

[VALLMO9]

I haven't found anything for Joseph with the 82nd or 40th regiments yet. Perhaps he stayed for a cup of tea, then moved on.

[avaline]

As has been said, in 1881 the 82nd became the 2nd Battalion, the Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment). In 1884 they were in Natal, South Africa, which ties in with an Army Death Index in 1885, Zululand for Joseph Lapere. The only GRO references are name, place & year, and Page 1277.

[VALLMO9]

In 1884 they were in Natal, South Africa, which ties in with an Army Death Index in 1885, Zululand for Joseph Lapere.

That was one of the first records I saw earlier today, then totally forgot about it! Such a sad end to a very short life.

[AdrianBruce]

There are still references to the 82nd Regiment in the newspapers in 1884.
...
South Lancashire Regiment (40th).—The 2nd Battalion (late 82nd Foot) will remain at Devonport instead of proceeding to Aldershot.

Perhaps it was a bit like decimalization back in the early 70's. Price 1/6 or 7 ½p!

Agreed - I've never studied a regiment that disappeared in those amalgamations, so have no feeling for the likelihood of a disappeared number continuing in use but otherwise the numbers continued very much in use. I was about to say, in unofficial use, but since they are seen throughout Army documentation, it's more like unofficial official use. It is, it appears, much easier to write "22nd" in a column for Regimental Name, than it is to write "Cheshires". And that's just a short name - insert your own lengthy regimental name here... That went on for decades, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if battalions descending from disappeared regiments, were still referred to by the old regimental number. I suspect, but can't confirm, that such foibles would not have lasted as long as numbers for regiments as a whole, because after a while people got moved between battalions and so the numbering of the old 2nd battalion would have had less relevance to the soldiers concerned.